r, I was going to break but decided not to that's a last resort ,although I didn't but that on my previous thread ??but decided not to I did open a new thread a few days ago I'm new to the forum thing I couldn't fiqure out how to delete I wanted to open a new thread with abit more detail of the problem and what I've tried to do I'm trying to achieve some one hopefully beable to let me know if I can get past this problem , I know the car is theft mode I've gone through all the charts etc on line I'm trying to find out if there ls away past this fault I know what the problem is