With Diesels being demonised and Petrol cars coming in second if they are older where do we go next?  Hybrid or Electric?

My new car  ==

hi

small petrol turbo charged cars, low immisions and high output

technolygy not quite there for electric

cheers

Joe

Climate control is a big issue in the political field and manufacturer swill also move in that direction, and while the club does not want to talk about politics, what the manufacturers do is a topic.

A massive amount of work has been done on diesel engines and is still being done.  Joe, you are quite right about petrol engines  --  they can be made smaller and still more powerful.  Jaguar did that with the Ingenium engines -- and they will continue along that route.

The electric engine is a long way from perfection  and there is still the question about emissions from power stations need to charge batteries for motor vehicles,

There is probably more use of power from mobile 'phones and more battery charging from them than there is currently from cars,

Peter.

 

Just my 2p's worth...

If we all move to electric, aren't we just shoving the emissions up to the electric generators, at least until they are all powered by wind/solar/ whatever. Also, there are (I believe) some quite toxic materials in batteries, that will need to be dealt with by future generations.

Frankly, I don't differentiate between diesel & petrol; just happen to have a diesel atm.

Often thought about a Tesla, but it all comes down to range and charging times. When it gets to the point where I can drive 300+ miles and then refill (recharge) anywhere in 5mins, it becomes viable, but not yet!

Just my 2d's worth (in old money!)

J

Hi Jon,

Even the Government seems to understand that an immediate move to electric cars means exactly what you have said.  Actually, "self" charging, as in a hybrid seems a better option.  My wife's car is a hybrid and return on a long run [over 100 miles] up to 60 mpg -- the petrol engine is a 1.5 litre.

I bought my 2.7 diesel  Jaguar when diesels were still a good option and it has never failed  the emission test.

When I was working I often had to drive over 300 miles in a day [I preferred to come home rather than stay in a hotel] and an wholly electric car would have been a no.  After I retired a Toyota Prius or an Avensis were a given option.

It will take 10 years before batteries can hold a 400 miles charge, if then,

My photo was a bit of a joke but did go right to the issue.

Peter.

Here's my opinion on the issue! (sorry if I come across as bumptious but I have very strong feelings about this subject).

First and foremost, the people, bodies, associations, etc that are debating the move to electric and demonising diesel engines are not automotive experts and very rarely are the motoring societies truly represented in meetings to discuss the future of motoring.

Secondly, automotive technology is probably at the peak of innovation and cannot go much further with technological advances in the internal combustion engine....this also applies to trucks, diggers, ferries, generators...in fact anything with an ICE.

The way forward is not via the electric route, albeit the Hybrid combination is by far the best option.
Full plug-in electric cars will not save the planet and in fact, will have a huge impact on the planet and our daily lives (see recent press articles about EVs having to produce noise to avoid running over pedestrians that may step out unknowingly).
Looking back in motoring history, steam cars and electric cars were used back in the 1910's in France (examples are in the Le Mans museum) and also 'Wet Scrubbers' were used on diesel engines which totally captured all particulates.....why have we gone to huge extremes to reinvent the wheel?

Glad thats off my chest now but unless we have the infrastructure in place to successfully provide the power to run electric cars at no cost to the environment then it is not a viable way forward.
Don't even get me started on autonomous cars 😞

 

The government has announced that the sale of new petrol and diesel cars will be banned by 2040, along with most hybrid cars that use existing technology.

Banned from 2030 and Hybrid from 2035. 60mpg in a hybrid is poor when my 2013, 1.6 diesel, Bluemotion Golf was doing over 70 regularly. My current, 2020, poverty spec d150 Epace returns 50mpg on the 22.2 mile commute.

Electric is all well and good but picture the streets where homes have no drive way and cables stretched over the pavements so people can charge their cars. Put the charging infrastructure in place then ban petrol and diesel, we're going about this back to front.

I am inclined to agree with Neil in respect of charging points.

Hybrids should be kept going for a longer time.  My wife's Toyota Yaris is a hybrid and is capable of 100 mph [ready for lunatics] but will cruise nicely a 70mph if reqired.

Peter

Cool! Thanks for the info!